[00:00:00] Aaron was gonna do like for his backlog pics. I see when he put in the thing, the doc, he had Link's Awakening DX. I was like, fuck you. You already started that.

[00:00:11] Uh, yeah. In my backlog pics, I have Super Mario World.

[00:00:17] I have these two games that I'm 90% done.

[00:00:21] Yeah. I try to pull shit like that too. Like I'm in some game clubs in like discord servers and like sometimes they'll be like,

[00:00:29] Dave, you get to nominate a game. I'm like, well, what am I playing for Tales from the Backlog right now? I can nominate this.

[00:00:36] Make everybody play along with me. And then I can show up two months later like, hey, remember that game we all played together? Here's a podcast.

[00:00:44] And it's uh, yeah.

[00:00:45] That's perfect.

[00:00:47] Yeah.

[00:00:48] A peek behind the curtain.

[00:00:50] Yeah.

[00:00:51] It's time to do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do.

[00:00:57] Hey, I'm Jerry.

[00:00:58] Hey, I'm Aaron.

[00:00:59] And this is Retro Rehab.

[00:01:01] Welcome back to the greatest collaboration of all time.

[00:01:18] I know it. You know it, Aaron. You know it.

[00:01:21] Uh, I know it, Aaron. Pretty sure you know it though, right?

[00:01:25] I knew it.

[00:01:26] You knew it, but I remembered it. Yeah.

[00:01:28] But now you remember it. Now, you know, uh, we are back baby.

[00:01:32] This is, uh, this is your regular programming back in action.

[00:01:36] And boy, do we have a show for you today. Today, we are going to be talking about the first Metal Gear Solid for the PlayStation or the GameCube.

[00:01:44] However, you want to play that one, but just the first in the series of Metal Gear Solid.

[00:01:50] Yeah. Aaron, you've mentioned that you don't have a lot of experience.

[00:01:55] Barely any. I know Psycho Mantis.

[00:01:58] I mean, I would hope so.

[00:02:01] I think that's it, honestly.

[00:02:03] But you're, you're going to do fine, buddy.

[00:02:04] Okay.

[00:02:05] I think you're going to be just fine.

[00:02:07] Okay.

[00:02:08] The story is very coherent and not complicated at all.

[00:02:12] Beautiful.

[00:02:14] I'm on board.

[00:02:15] Um, but you know, I thought we might be able to do this alone, but then I was like, I think we need some backup here.

[00:02:23] So of course, in retro rehab style, we made a deal with the devil and we summoned a real Metal Gear sicko to come on here and assist us in talking about Metal Gear.

[00:02:39] Because honestly, I'm going to need assistance on the story. I would hope that this deal works out in our favor because I don't like surface level shit in Metal Gear.

[00:02:48] I'm not like, I can't, I don't know the deep dive, but some people are like really into it.

[00:02:53] So coming on to retro rehab for the first time, the master of backlogs.

[00:02:59] And I would say probably maybe the master of butt rock too.

[00:03:02] I think you're a, I think you're a butt rock aficion though.

[00:03:05] Oh yeah.

[00:03:05] Uh, and also the master of making top three lists.

[00:03:08] I am very excited to have our guests on here for the first time.

[00:03:12] Please welcome Dave Jackson.

[00:03:15] What's up guys.

[00:03:16] Thank you for inviting me on.

[00:03:18] And, uh, I am the master of backlogs.

[00:03:20] I'm the master of butt rock.

[00:03:21] I'm the master of butts and I'm the master of rocks and top three lists.

[00:03:27] So if we have time later, you want to do top three butts, top three rocks, top three, butt rock bands, anything like that.

[00:03:33] I'll take you on the top three rocks, man.

[00:03:35] Are you the, you own all the rocks in the world?

[00:03:37] I don't have all the rocks, but I'm familiar.

[00:03:40] I've like, I can talk.

[00:03:41] I can talk.

[00:03:42] I know like Dwayne, the John Dwayne, the boy in the John Dwayne Johnson.

[00:03:49] And I know that Newfoundland is called the rock.

[00:03:53] That's it.

[00:03:54] And then the movie, the rock, there's the Sean Connery movie.

[00:03:57] Uh, right.

[00:03:58] There's all kinds of stuff.

[00:03:59] Yeah.

[00:04:00] Like Alcatraz is the rock as well.

[00:04:01] So I mean, if we refer to that as the rock.

[00:04:05] Okay.

[00:04:06] I mean, if we're going to, if we're going to rank the top three rocks.

[00:04:08] Hard rock cafe.

[00:04:09] Yeah.

[00:04:10] Hard rock cafe.

[00:04:11] Yep.

[00:04:12] I've heard a thing or two, but this rock and roll as well.

[00:04:15] School of hard knocks.

[00:04:17] No hard rocks.

[00:04:19] School of rock.

[00:04:21] School of rock.

[00:04:22] That's what I was getting at.

[00:04:23] I'm stupid.

[00:04:23] Sorry.

[00:04:24] So Dave, uh, please go ahead and plug and promote everything that you are doing or going

[00:04:31] to do or everything you've ever done.

[00:04:33] Sure.

[00:04:34] Yeah.

[00:04:34] Including rocks.

[00:04:36] Things that I do right now.

[00:04:37] Yeah.

[00:04:37] I'm the host of tales from the backlog and that is a weekly backlog gaming deep dive review

[00:04:43] analysis podcast.

[00:04:44] Every episode is an episode about one specific game.

[00:04:48] It's always me with a guest.

[00:04:50] Uh, Jerry's been on the show a few times.

[00:04:52] Aaron's been on the show a few times.

[00:04:54] Uh, all basically like the whole retro rehab circle.

[00:04:58] Most of people I've ever heard on this show and I'm super pod saga.

[00:05:02] Like we're all one big happy family.

[00:05:04] Oh, lots of them have been on my show too.

[00:05:06] Uh, but every episode of that is one specific game in detail, doing an analysis, a review

[00:05:12] of it.

[00:05:13] Uh, we go no spoilers for awhile.

[00:05:15] And, uh, then we, we warn people when spoilers are starting, so you can jump out

[00:05:19] if you don't want to be spoiled.

[00:05:20] Then after that we do like the story talks.

[00:05:23] So, uh, Jerry was most recently on the show.

[00:05:25] We did the resident evil to remake, uh, along with Nick from Friday night game cast.

[00:05:29] Good episode.

[00:05:30] And then, uh, Aaron was recently on when we talked about pizza tower, which was another

[00:05:34] really fun episode.

[00:05:35] Yeah.

[00:05:36] Awesome game too.

[00:05:38] So good.

[00:05:39] Yeah.

[00:05:39] So that's tales from the backlog.

[00:05:41] And then I have another show called a top three podcast where we do top three lists.

[00:05:45] It's a, it's a much simpler pitch.

[00:05:47] If you like lists, that's your show.

[00:05:49] Uh, or rocks or butts.

[00:05:53] Yeah.

[00:05:53] You can go there for anything really.

[00:05:55] Mm hmm.

[00:05:57] Your one stop shop for all things, rocks and butts.

[00:06:01] Right.

[00:06:01] Yeah.

[00:06:01] Rocks and or butts.

[00:06:03] Yeah.

[00:06:04] Hell yeah.

[00:06:05] Well, I'm, I'm happy that you're on here today with us, dude.

[00:06:08] Yeah.

[00:06:08] Good to talk with you guys.

[00:06:10] Yup.

[00:06:10] It's always a good time.

[00:06:12] I would first like to get in before we get into our topic.

[00:06:15] Cause we're going to get into some, some, some weeds here with, with metal gear.

[00:06:19] We're going to get it.

[00:06:20] We're going to do some weed.

[00:06:22] We're going to get into the weeds and do some heroin.

[00:06:23] We're going to do the, the fentanyl flop and just like, I can get into the metal gear.

[00:06:29] Mm hmm.

[00:06:30] But first.

[00:06:34] Aaron, there's gotta be no way.

[00:06:40] There's never anything happening.

[00:06:41] I do.

[00:06:42] Uh, never is there except for today.

[00:06:46] Oh, one, one time only.

[00:06:48] Uh, you're on QMC.

[00:06:50] Um, yeah, that Mega Man eight or Mega Man X eight, uh, D make by Allison.

[00:06:56] Yeah.

[00:06:57] Uh, really, really.

[00:06:58] Have you guys seen this thing?

[00:07:00] I have not.

[00:07:01] What was Mega Man X eight on to begin with a dumpster fire?

[00:07:06] It was not great.

[00:07:08] It's not bad, but it was on PS two and it was like sort of like Mega Man X seven is considered

[00:07:14] like really bad.

[00:07:16] I'm a Mega Man fan boy.

[00:07:17] So like I can find things I like, but it is not a good mega man.

[00:07:22] X eight was kind of like slight redemption of that, but it was still like kind of panned

[00:07:27] a lot by fans.

[00:07:28] Um, this D make is literally taking, I think they used Mega Man X three's engine from super

[00:07:36] Nintendo and they just made Mega Man X into a Mega Man X game that would have been on super

[00:07:42] Nintendo.

[00:07:42] Um, sick.

[00:07:44] And I've played, I played it when, before it was like the full release and I was like

[00:07:51] shocked by how fucking good this thing was.

[00:07:54] Um, so shout out to, I'm probably going to butcher this, but shout out to Allison DePaz.

[00:08:00] Oh, I said Paz.

[00:08:01] Damn it.

[00:08:02] DePaz.

[00:08:04] I think everybody that is a Mega Man fan needs to check this out.

[00:08:10] Unfortunately, it is only on PC.

[00:08:11] The majority of people that I know have a PC.

[00:08:14] I mean, if you don't, that's, that's fine too.

[00:08:17] Um, I'm sure most PCs could run it though.

[00:08:19] Like it's, it's D made into pixel art, so it shouldn't be too intensive.

[00:08:25] Yeah.

[00:08:25] I think you could probably play this on like a 2001 Mac book.

[00:08:29] Like the original, the original version of X eight is probably harder to run than the D make

[00:08:35] to be, to be.

[00:08:36] Oh yeah.

[00:08:37] Oh yeah.

[00:08:38] This is like a super Nintendo ROM.

[00:08:40] All of its weird 3d Mega Man PS2 glory.

[00:08:45] Yep.

[00:08:46] But no, it's, it's super, super good.

[00:08:50] Really well done.

[00:08:51] It's really difficult.

[00:08:53] Like as somebody that I pride myself in thinking that I'm pretty damn good at Mega Man games.

[00:09:00] It's hard.

[00:09:01] Like this is coming from somebody that's good at these games.

[00:09:04] It's fucking hard, but I like that.

[00:09:06] I like a good challenge.

[00:09:07] I do like hard things.

[00:09:09] Do you fuck with a Mega Man?

[00:09:11] Uh, no, I don't really like Mega Man.

[00:09:14] So I, you could say I fuck with Mega Man by having him die repeatedly.

[00:09:19] And then I get mad and turn the game off.

[00:09:21] But, uh, I've only played of like the classic Mega men.

[00:09:27] I've only played Mega Man 2 and then, uh, Mega Man X.

[00:09:32] Those are the only two I've played and I don't like either one of them that much.

[00:09:34] Um, the music's great though.

[00:09:36] So like, I bet the music's good in Mega Man X eight, but I'm not, I'm not playing this.

[00:09:41] It's not my, not my bag baby.

[00:09:43] I bet you would like legend though.

[00:09:45] Like Mega Man legend or legend.

[00:09:47] Yeah.

[00:09:47] Dude.

[00:09:48] I, I remember like growing up, uh, reading Nintendo power or some other magazine and just

[00:09:55] reading.

[00:09:56] Cause it was Mega Man 64.

[00:09:57] The, it must've been Nintendo power.

[00:10:00] Cause it was Mega Man 64.

[00:10:01] And I remember just like looking at that being like, that looks so cool.

[00:10:04] I'll never get a chance to play it.

[00:10:06] Even though I owned an N64 and my parents would buy me a game if I asked him for it.

[00:10:10] I don't know why I had this thing in my head where I was like, I'll never get to play that

[00:10:13] game.

[00:10:14] I don't know why there's like a block anyway.

[00:10:18] Uh, I, I, I once wanted to play that.

[00:10:21] I'd be open to trying it and I liked Mega Man battle network.

[00:10:24] So that's a, that's, that's a Mega Man thing.

[00:10:27] Yeah, it is.

[00:10:29] That is a, that is a man.

[00:10:30] It's got a lot of, it's got a lot of charm.

[00:10:32] Yeah.

[00:10:33] A lot of jacking in, jacking out in that game.

[00:10:38] Hell yeah.

[00:10:38] Sounds like a typical Friday night for me.

[00:10:42] Speaking of jacking out, uh, there's more drama in the FPGA community.

[00:10:46] I just caught this this morning.

[00:10:48] Do you?

[00:10:49] So we've been doing some training in the office for a, for sharp branded products and all that

[00:10:54] shit.

[00:10:54] But I was just scrolling through my phone.

[00:10:56] We had a break.

[00:10:57] I was scrolling through my phone and I saw this article about more drama in the FPGA community.

[00:11:01] And I was like, there's drama in this community.

[00:11:03] And then I read through the whole article and I was like, okay, yeah, that's, that's pretty

[00:11:07] shitty.

[00:11:07] What is FPGA?

[00:11:09] It's pretty much just.

[00:11:10] Hit him, Jerry.

[00:11:11] Oh God.

[00:11:12] Let me look it up.

[00:11:13] We need to get, uh, we need to get, we need to get Jamie on like a, uh, like a line just

[00:11:17] to be like, Hey, we got another person asking for FPGA.

[00:11:20] So can you give them the load?

[00:11:21] It stands for field programmable gate array, but it's basically from what Jerry's told

[00:11:27] me it's like, it's, it's emulation down to like the hardware level.

[00:11:32] Right.

[00:11:33] Okay.

[00:11:33] Or is it further than that?

[00:11:34] Yes.

[00:11:34] So it's, it's the, the piece, some people get mad when you don't explain this properly,

[00:11:41] but essentially it's emulating, not the games, but it's emulating the consoles.

[00:11:46] So the games have like perfect, like replication.

[00:11:50] Like there's no, it's kind of like it's emulation, but it's not.

[00:11:53] Um, so the thing looks like a little raspberry pie, but it plays from gen one all the way up

[00:11:59] to and including PS one and 64 and like flawlessly.

[00:12:04] And then it also has like a bunch of arcade games, uh, which this is what this is about.

[00:12:10] So your tago, um, he is one of the developers with a lot of these arcade cores.

[00:12:15] So essentially what happens is, you know, I don't know if you've ever fucked with like

[00:12:19] arcade ROMs and stuff on like main, but like, that's a completely different thing.

[00:12:24] Like you download the ROM itself and then you, you play it.

[00:12:27] What this dude is doing is he's actually creating a specific core just for that game.

[00:12:35] Cause essentially every arcade game was, yeah.

[00:12:38] Yeah.

[00:12:40] So he's, this guy is like decompiling it or whatever the fuck they do.

[00:12:44] And they're black magic behind closed doors, but he has a Patreon.

[00:12:48] So like when he puts out a beta for a new game to be tested, like it's behind a paywall.

[00:12:55] And then this other guy, uh, was like just kind of like calling him out for gatekeeping

[00:13:01] and saying like, Oh, like you're holding back on people and you just want like more subscriptions

[00:13:07] and shit like that.

[00:13:08] But as far as drama goes, a lot of Patreon subscribers, dude, this dude gets roughly $36,000 a month

[00:13:15] from Patreon.

[00:13:17] Hmm.

[00:13:19] Yeah.

[00:13:20] Which is.

[00:13:21] Yeah.

[00:13:22] Not bad.

[00:13:23] He's, he's good at what he does.

[00:13:24] Not bad.

[00:13:25] When those.

[00:13:27] I, uh, I'll just go ahead and say, I wouldn't turn my nose up at $36,000 per month.

[00:13:33] You know what I'm saying?

[00:13:34] Oh yeah.

[00:13:35] Oh yeah.

[00:13:36] Yeah.

[00:13:38] Yeah.

[00:13:38] Yeah, dude.

[00:13:38] Yeah.

[00:13:39] If I was like, Hey Dave, uh, how about you, uh, quit all your podcasts and come work for

[00:13:42] me $36,000 a month.

[00:13:44] You're going to be like, I don't, I don't care what it is.

[00:13:46] Uh, yeah, I'm, I'm inside your house right now.

[00:13:48] Let's get started.

[00:13:49] Yeah.

[00:13:50] As long as there's rocks.

[00:13:52] What are we doing?

[00:13:52] We do it.

[00:13:53] We do it.

[00:13:53] A podcast.

[00:13:54] Nah, dude, you're just going to clean our toilets once a week.

[00:13:57] Uh, I need you to live in the basement.

[00:13:58] You're going to cook for us.

[00:13:59] That's fine.

[00:14:00] I, uh, I mean, that's pretty, that would be a pretty good gig for three.

[00:14:03] I was going to say, I hope you like, uh, I hope you like frozen Trader Joe's meals.

[00:14:09] Oh, I've never had one before.

[00:14:11] Let's go, man.

[00:14:12] I'm ready for that.

[00:14:13] Dave's just like tricking us being like, do you like your finally cooked steak dinner?

[00:14:19] And we're like, this is amazing, Dave.

[00:14:21] We're like, how did you learn to cook like this?

[00:14:22] He's like, yeah, never tell my secret.

[00:14:25] Yeah.

[00:14:26] Just a fucking freezer.

[00:14:30] Your beef stroganoff, sir.

[00:14:34] Yeah.

[00:14:36] Speaking of stroganoff.

[00:14:38] Jesus Christ.

[00:14:39] Yep.

[00:14:39] Yeah.

[00:14:39] Stroganoff.

[00:14:40] Uh, the director behind the Dreamcast cult classic RPG.

[00:14:46] I, I have never known how this is properly pronounced.

[00:14:50] I think it's just say ga ga ga ga.

[00:14:51] I don't even know if you guys.

[00:14:51] I'm, I'm.

[00:14:52] I'm.

[00:14:55] Sega ga ga ga ga.

[00:14:59] Yeah.

[00:15:00] It's like Sega ga ga ga ga ga ga ga ga ga.

[00:15:01] Sega ga ga ga.

[00:15:02] Sega with gaga.

[00:15:04] Yeah.

[00:15:04] It's just Sega and game where you fight Samba de Amigo.

[00:15:09] Yeah.

[00:15:09] It's like a mashup of like a bunch of Sega characters, but like it's an RPG.

[00:15:15] apparently the the the director of that game wants to translate it now after all these years

[00:15:22] i've i've been seeing this game for years and being like when is somebody going to translate

[00:15:28] this like this looks so cool and there's never been anything so it's wild that the actual director

[00:15:35] of the game is like kind of want to bring it back yeah i feel like uh i feel like most most games

[00:15:41] look like any kind of like real demand have gotten a fan translation by this point well like 20 years

[00:15:47] later right so except for dragon quest 4 on the ps1 we'll never get that i feel like yeah i know

[00:15:54] what's up with that why why does that not have a translate that blows my mind that there's not

[00:15:59] enough demand because i mean like dragon quest dude there's a translation of that dragon quest 5

[00:16:05] on the ps2 man everybody's like dude let me see what the fuck that shit's like

[00:16:10] but dragon quest 4 on the ps1 i think the graphics for that game are the same as the one that's on ds

[00:16:18] because like 7 on ps1 use the same graphic style as well question for you guys about sega gaga can i

[00:16:26] beat the shit out of sonic in turn-based combat is that what this game is probably i mean there's

[00:16:33] i would imagine sonic i saw the screenshot of samba de amigo and that's very funny uh but i need

[00:16:40] to beat the shit out of sonic and or shadow in turn-based combat i'm googling it right now i mean

[00:16:48] i'm looking at i'm looking at a screenshot right now of like sonic in like a situation or the screen

[00:16:56] is like so yeah yeah yeah that one so like i think dave there's a good to fair chance that you can

[00:17:04] beat the shit out of sonic in turn or beat the shit out of other people with sonic possibly yeah

[00:17:09] i don't want to play as sonic i want to fight against sonic it's it's time you want to beat

[00:17:14] this is not the game for you it's actually the opposite game uh for me no uh i i was thinking

[00:17:23] earlier today like take any franchise make a tactics game and just give it to me i don't care

[00:17:27] what the franchise is so like sonic tactics i would try that i would do all right are you excited

[00:17:34] about that uh what's it called um metal slug tactics uh like it's a tactics game i don't i don't really

[00:17:41] care about metal slug but i will play a tactics game uh samba de amigo tactics i'll take that uh

[00:17:48] trying to think of other rocket knight adventures tactics just trying to think of other sega games

[00:17:52] give me give me all that stuff i'm in yeah i i've never been like too into tactics but recently

[00:18:01] i've gotten a little bit more into them but this turn-based stuff is right up my uh my keister

[00:18:10] yeah and then there's one more translation a dreamcast game finally after all these years of fans just

[00:18:17] clamoring for this thing birdcage of horrors or uh aaron the japanese name is um grawen notori kago

[00:18:25] i think there you go grawen notori kago i think wait dave don't you i think it was it you that was

[00:18:34] no that's rick and dre yeah rick and dre and phil me and phil oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i wish

[00:18:42] i wish i mean i could i guess there's nothing stopping me other than maybe i'm a little too

[00:18:48] stupid is this uh is this an ff an fmv game i think it looks like it i think it's literally just

[00:18:55] i don't even think it's i don't think it's interactive like i don't think there's anything

[00:18:59] interactive about this it's just a movie that was only for dreamcast like i'm pretty sure okay

[00:19:05] okay so it's the the tweet i found about it says six disc horror film

[00:19:13] released for the sega dreamcast

[00:19:18] six how fast is this case man exactly yeah i feel like i want to watch this thing just to say that i did

[00:19:26] just to see well guess somebody gonna pick from your back logs

[00:19:34] um i uh i don't know there's something appealing about this the fact that somebody

[00:19:40] went out of their way to translate this game like this is the one they're like he's a fucking

[00:19:46] translation voice a fucking bird this is what i'm saying with sega gaga like this six disc

[00:19:54] horror movie not even a game from what we can tell right gets a gets a translation

[00:19:59] uh before what are the dragon quest game you mentioned before the game where you get to beat

[00:20:05] up samba de amigo in turn-based combat like i feel like anything with any hint of demand

[00:20:12] gets a fan translation so i'm really surprised when i hear of something that didn't

[00:20:18] oh it's it's i found an image of a uh just like a stack of of the different discs for this game

[00:20:27] um spoiler alert it's it's boring

[00:20:32] they all look the same they just have like one two three four five six

[00:20:39] but uh but that's it that's all the news that's every bit of news that you could ever want

[00:20:43] on this day that's it stop asking us because

[00:20:48] yeah we have no more news to share with you no more which this is perfect though because this

[00:21:11] brings us to our topic this is where we get to talk about metal gear solid metal gear and

[00:21:21] yep now before we do this though dave there's something that we ask all of our guests just so that

[00:21:30] the listeners if they don't know who you are maybe they can get a little bit more of a

[00:21:35] connection with you an understanding of what makes day your favorite element in the question that we

[00:21:40] always ask everybody boron no it's not that that's a good one boron that's a good one cool

[00:21:47] i feel like you can name a kid yeah

[00:21:52] say i'm more of a lithium guy i don't know yeah anyway yep so the the question is

[00:22:00] what is your favorite video game memory okay so i've had five seconds to think of this and

[00:22:07] since this is a retro show i'll go with a retro memory so when uh me and my brother were kids we

[00:22:13] had a game cube and we had a little hidden gem on the game cube called super smash brothers melee

[00:22:18] that listeners may or may not have heard of uh just so we're on the same page here super smash

[00:22:24] brothers melee what you can do in super smash brothers in case people don't know is uh you can

[00:22:30] take smash with your brothers yeah you you smash your brothers with rocks uh and you know butts and

[00:22:36] everything like that but instead of your brothers it's mario and yoshi and pikachu and all the

[00:22:42] the nintendo characters so uh my brother and i used to do 99 stock matches team battles versus

[00:22:49] computers and they would take like three and a half hours and we would just like this is like what you do

[00:22:56] when you're little kids like you don't have response this was 2001 or some 2002 something

[00:23:02] like that so i was like uh like 13 14 yeah i don't have responsibilities i don't have a job or anything

[00:23:10] like that and my brother's even younger even less is expected of him so we would do 99 stock matches

[00:23:18] on smash melee us versus two cpus and they would take three and a half hours and we'd play them all

[00:23:24] the way to the end and uh we did that like many times and it was just a great a great memory like

[00:23:31] playing on um the uh what was the pokemon stage from from the original smash game but they had it in

[00:23:40] melee to the saffron city stage yeah so that's my that's my memory uh that i'll share with everyone

[00:23:46] just complete little kid infinite time type of stuff i love that shit i miss that at least until

[00:23:54] your mom comes upstairs she's like david i need you to come take out the trash for me

[00:24:02] that's that's what she sounds like yeah awesome ma we got 34 stocks left ma we got 34 stocks left

[00:24:11] and the pikachu ain't dying ma yeah the pikachu ain't dying oh man yeah i i i remember doing similar

[00:24:23] things to that i also remember just having like infinite amounts of time to have golden eye death

[00:24:30] matches like just constant and then just like there was always that one person that would come over that

[00:24:36] was like slightly outside of the friend circle because you'd be like well we need a fourth and

[00:24:41] then like this other fucking chump would come in and you'd be like i'll pick an odd job and you'd be

[00:24:45] like of course this motherfucker is picking an odd job like we no we said no odd job uh we used to

[00:24:51] also do uh slappers only slappers yeah it's that same kid in melee would uh would be like oh i'm i'm

[00:24:58] playing as fox and like yeah of course you're playing as foxy piece of shit we get it

[00:25:05] i feel like ganondorf was always the one that wrecked ganondorf was fun high risk high reward

[00:25:10] yeah yeah you too and melee was a bastard my friends and i would always start up like cpu versus cpu

[00:25:17] matches in like soul caliber and shit and we would we would like make brackets on a piece of paper

[00:25:23] have like a little tournament be like okay dude we're set them all the way up max difficulty

[00:25:28] nightmare is gonna win this shit i'm gonna bet you you put you this many coins we would just bring

[00:25:33] just a shit ton of coins and and yeah we would do that hell yeah gambling early nice most of the time

[00:25:40] nightmare would not win he would get his shit rocked by maxi i love soul caliber so much hold it now hold

[00:25:49] your horses there fellas we uh we got a score to settle on uh this here show i am the uh the retro

[00:25:57] reaper and i have but one demand of each of you are you ready to hear it fuck yeah give me your

[00:26:05] favorite rock just give it to me right now granite i was gonna say grant fuck you i was gonna say

[00:26:10] granite rock granite's taken though yep yep oh wait it is like i can't pick granite well no the

[00:26:17] granite's mine i like fuck oh yeah um um soapstone soapstone okay okay all right so now that i have

[00:26:29] your rocks we can get down to business so i heard that you are some uh i switched accents but i've

[00:26:36] heard that you're some naughty naughty boys and you got some some games in the backlog that need some

[00:26:42] attention aaron did you tell him i know i mean he might have heard me on the playground i might have

[00:26:48] you told santa told me he cornered you you're weak purge my bloodline

[00:26:55] santa told me that uh there's some games in the backlog being neglected santa watches what you do

[00:27:01] but santa also watches the games you don't play so uh jerry mrs claus told me that you

[00:27:11] haven't played okami before i've i i i have i just it's always been in the back of my brain because

[00:27:21] i it's one of those games that i'm like one of these days i'm gonna i'm gonna eventually go back and

[00:27:25] finish the other 30 hours i was gonna say one of these days i'm gonna play uh a 45 hour zelda game

[00:27:35] is it really 45 hours it's really fucking long dude oh man that game has what game

[00:27:42] okami has two points where you're like it's definitely over now and then there's 20 hours

[00:27:49] after that oh it's so fucking cool though it's very cool so uh you don't have to finish okami

[00:27:55] you you can still you can still be a you can get yourself on the good kids list but you got to play

[00:28:01] more of okami because it's really pretty and the music's great and uh yeah it's it's fun just just

[00:28:07] play till the time when you think it should end and then it doesn't end but you can stop then i

[00:28:13] can i can stop there and then eventually be like oh i forgot how good okami is and then go back to

[00:28:17] my save file and be like ah it's like a new game yeah when we're all when we're all 70 year old

[00:28:21] uh podcasters and we've forgotten all about this we can just relive this entire thing and then you'll

[00:28:27] be like i have a uh an inkling that i left off an okami at hour 30 45 years ago or whatever so

[00:28:36] yeah yeah that's true yeah well at least i don't have to play okami yeah okami's cool the retro

[00:28:42] reaper okami is cool man it's very cool it's way too fucking long but it's it's a cool game

[00:28:48] nice which is better than a game that's way too long and not cool that's a bad combo

[00:28:55] yeah it truly is did uh is that all they told you about my backlog uh they they also told me that

[00:29:04] you haven't played terranigma but i don't i don't think terranigma is that good so you don't have to

[00:29:10] play it and get wrecked uh there's get rocked i mean i played terranigma for the first time

[00:29:18] last year and terranigma was never released in the u.s it was like this weird like very

[00:29:24] shitty exchange where like we got chrono trigger and then like the pal regions didn't get chrono

[00:29:29] trigger but they got terranigma and it's like a horrible trade like we won that trade in the in

[00:29:35] the u.s we destroyed in that trade uh so yeah terranigma is not that you can you can play it if

[00:29:42] you want the only time i'll be patriotic it was like we got we got the better game uh and i'm from

[00:29:51] canada yeah i know but it's north america right i don't know how shit worked in 1995

[00:29:55] north america yeah or 1996 was or however that chant goes not mexico that's also north america

[00:30:04] oh shit not brazil not brazil oh there we go yep not panama dave take it easy on i hasn't seen the

[00:30:11] fucking ocean okay you got a lot of uh you got a lot of brazilian fans i apologize jerry you better

[00:30:18] shut the fuck up or i'm gonna tell santa on you jerry you've also not played siren but i don't

[00:30:25] know what that is so you're forgiven i uh i have i mean i've attempted to play siren but jesus christ

[00:30:31] is that game scary oh it's too scary it's so it's the same people that made siren i'll send you a link

[00:30:37] oh okay and it is what is this link aaron it's a link to siren it's the longest link i've ever seen

[00:30:47] there's like 75 capital letters i know dude don't blame me it's like a code

[00:30:54] oh god there's a cheat code how to get spooked siren yeah it's uh yep it it's still very very scary

[00:31:03] and unsettling yeah there's something about this game that's just like the second you turn around

[00:31:07] they've just like jumped back he was like whoa yeah i saw a dude crying blood or something like that

[00:31:14] that's the amibito yeah looks uh looks pretty scary uh you know what game is not scary okami

[00:31:20] okami is not scary no it's not okami yeah it's very cute it's the opposite of scary yeah

[00:31:28] i all right so yeah i mean i i've i've tried to play siren but i've never gotten more than like

[00:31:34] one level in and then been like i don't know that's what the retro reaper has decreed on this uh

[00:31:40] on this here episode the jerry jerry can play okami jerry you're the horror guy and siren's too scary for

[00:31:48] you it's really unsettling okay like it is it's a it's a nerve-wracking game okay just because like

[00:31:54] the the premise of it is that you're looking through like the eyes of the things that are

[00:32:00] preying on you like you have the you can switch cameras so like you have this second site where

[00:32:07] like you can site hijack the monsters and get a feel for where they are and like when you're hiding

[00:32:13] away and shit and they're just like rummaging through stuff and it's like first person and it's

[00:32:17] like i'm in that fucking locker i'm in that locker you can hear them breathing and shit

[00:32:22] it is like while you're while you're looking through their eyes you'll hear them going like

[00:32:28] and they're like rummaging through shit like

[00:32:31] and then like the background noise is just like white noise and brown noise at the same time

[00:32:37] it's just a bunch of shitting yeah i was gonna say brown brown noise okay i saw that south break

[00:32:43] episode yeah the brown noise yeah uh yeah okay so so jerry you should just play some more okami and

[00:32:50] like i said just just when you when you reach that point where you're like this is definitely the end of

[00:32:55] the game just stop playing after that point and that can be your end of the game and you'll you'll be

[00:33:00] you'll be okay perhaps the real end was the friends who made along the way that's right yeah quote

[00:33:07] could quote uh cliff blizinski i was gonna say to quote amaterasu the main character that was her

[00:33:15] quote aaron yo oh shit krampus has told me shit on you you got some shit in your backlog

[00:33:22] fucking krampus eats bad kids so oh no

[00:33:29] uh krampus told me that you have a game called fantasy star 4 in your backlog

[00:33:36] i've always met i've i've started it many many times i'll get like five minutes in and then i'll

[00:33:42] be like i could play something else but everybody says it's really good bill races it a lot a few

[00:33:50] other people i know have praised a lot so yeah i need i need to play it it looks awesome

[00:33:54] it's a great feeling when you start up a new game and five minutes in you're like i want to play

[00:34:00] something else i'm not feeling this this game has barely begun i haven't even put my character's

[00:34:05] name in yet and i'm like i don't know maybe i'll play earthworm jim for the 45th yeah

[00:34:14] shout out to games with earth in the title like earthbound earthworm jim remember when they made

[00:34:20] the ps2 game according to jim what no way you guys don't remember side scrolling beat them up

[00:34:28] starring jim belushi is that a real game i know the show no it's not real thank god dude

[00:34:35] but every every licensed game up until a certain point was just a side scrolling beat them up so

[00:34:40] just take just take any show home improvement was on super nintendo according to jim on ps2

[00:34:53] it was the playstation 2 they did playstation 2 games for fucking everything like yeah ice age

[00:35:00] yeah there's a not they probably made one for the reba mcintyre show bro

[00:35:06] that was a that was a rhythm game yeah reba reba las vegas let's see aaron i also i have never

[00:35:16] played a fantasy star game um i don't know anything about it i just know that it's at a certain point

[00:35:21] they became mmos or something and i don't i don't know anything about it uh it's none of my business

[00:35:27] at this point i'm i'm cool i'll be over here okay it's none of my business that's such a good way of

[00:35:34] being like i don't care about yeah i took that from another podcast where there's like yeah this

[00:35:38] thing's happening it's none of my business i'll be over here i'm playing these other things

[00:35:42] you never played xenoblade chronicles x what's wrong with you do you not have a wii u

[00:35:48] i i do have a wii u i have a copy of the game i bought it to eventually start it

[00:35:53] because i've played and loved xenoblade one and two everybody shits on two but they can go fuck

[00:35:59] themselves because two was fun i really liked to xenoblade two yeah xenoblade chronicles two yeah

[00:36:05] who's shitting on people get mad at xenoblade chronicles two because it because it has a

[00:36:10] gotcha mechanic that does not matter you can just like just draw your shit you'll get enough good stuff

[00:36:15] and and you get plenty you get plenty of currency or i forget what the fuck you even need to like even

[00:36:22] draw more for the gotcha mechanic but it's not even like like mobile phone the whole game without

[00:36:27] even knowing there was a gotcha mechanic yeah it's like this is cool i'm just acquiring these blades

[00:36:32] yeah and then someone's like people yeah but do you like the gotcha thing though i'm like what are you

[00:36:35] talking about it's the completionists the completionists got mad because you can get cosmos

[00:36:39] from uh was from xeno saga as one of the blades but it's super rare and it's a gotcha thing so the

[00:36:46] people who are like completionist about it like they're mad that they can't get

[00:36:52] cosmos and i'm like i don't i don't care like you've drawn like 60 other blades that will get

[00:36:58] you through the game no problem like just go play the game play the story play fucking xeno saga if

[00:37:03] you want to play as cosmos like honestly play fucking soul caliber three where you can actually get

[00:37:10] cosmos is like uh costume and ship as a costume in soul caliber three yeah so yeah i xenoblade like

[00:37:18] there's a there's a weird uh no pawn with a sex doll robot oh yeah chronicles 2 he's awful so

[00:37:26] or torah torah yeah um so there is that but all right so xenoblade chronicles x i have that on my

[00:37:35] wii u also and it's uh it's just one of those games where it's like it's just one of those games it's just

[00:37:42] one of those games where it's like 90 hours long and everybody sucks and everything is fucked i don't

[00:37:49] know i think i i assume it's good people seem to like it yeah and it's just one of those days

[00:37:54] that's right thank you voice of god

[00:38:02] if you pray god will make himself known this is how you pray

[00:38:08] the god of northern florida so yes aaron kropos also told me that you haven't played robo trek

[00:38:22] what's robo trek uh jerry talked about it on one of our episodes and he made it sound awesome

[00:38:28] i've always known it existed but i've never actually played it jerry made it sound like it

[00:38:33] was almost like custom robo but like a turn-based rpg where you just fight with your robots and shit

[00:38:39] is that right yeah i think you just get one robot though like i think it's just the one that's cool

[00:38:43] not 100 sure it's been a long time since i played that game that's pretty tight but i remember being

[00:38:48] really cool and it's made it's made by enix oh okay before the they had like their merger and like

[00:38:54] not a lot of people talk about that game but i just remember it being really charming and like fun

[00:39:00] oh it was uh it was made by quintet who made terra enigma same uh same people oh it was published by

[00:39:07] enix but made by quintet so yeah quintet made a bunch of stuff on like the super nintendo um

[00:39:14] terra enigma and soul blazer and those games soul blazer was good yeah so they did uh they also did

[00:39:22] the illusion of gaia i think because that's the that's the first terra enigma is the sequel like

[00:39:27] the indirect sequel yeah they have like a trilogy or something yeah yeah this one looks uh this one

[00:39:33] looks very weird also one of the things that i'm looking at just looks like earthbound so yeah i don't

[00:39:41] i don't know what the hell's going on in this game i so i'm looking at the screen right now there's

[00:39:45] four screenshots and they all look like completely different games it's very weird uh so the does does

[00:39:54] do i need to get krampus to tell me which game aaron needs to play so that he can get christmas

[00:40:00] presents or whatever yes if i have to do it then he has to do it okay it's only fair so uh i made jerry

[00:40:08] play the the long game so do it do it no aaron you gotta play robo trek you gotta tell us what the

[00:40:16] fuck this game is hell yeah okay robo trek it do be yeah it do be do hell yeah all right well

[00:40:25] i mean there's worse things than getting sentenced to just playing good games yeah right getting slapped

[00:40:34] in the face for eternity by by krampus going to work even or by fred durst

[00:40:43] imagine getting slapped by fred durst that's just one of those

[00:40:49] i bet he's an open one of those

[00:40:54] that's on topic for today yeah i would know that speaking of anywhere

[00:40:58] speaking of that horrific scream uh why don't we take a quick break and then we'll be back to get

[00:41:06] into our topic break well you you do you i was gonna go just refill a beer and take a piss and then

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[00:42:59] check out the retro wildlands podcast in each episode i'll use game music and sound to pull you

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[00:43:17] at superpodnetwork.com or wherever you listen to your podcast hey aaron hey jerry oh cardboard man

[00:43:33] dude it's easily recyclable just break it down pop it in the recycling bin bam you're good to go

[00:43:39] it's sturdy whoa whoa whoa too many too many steps oh before you break that cardboard box down let me tell

[00:43:47] you we have a special offer for listeners if you act today oh dave's got one there is it i mean dave's

[00:43:55] already got one yeah he he had the uh he was in the he was in the beta program um

[00:44:01] solid snake yeah solid snakes cardboard box um you know the one that he hides in away from

[00:44:10] militant people however i don't know if the listeners knew this but you know if you're having

[00:44:15] a shitty day at the office just get in that full-size refrigerator box i mean the one that dave has is

[00:44:20] kind of perfect for just popping over your head if you just want to you know shut yourself out from

[00:44:25] from the world uh i tend to use my cardboard box i don't have mine right now because uh

[00:44:32] it's at the dry cleaner yeah

[00:44:36] it uh yeah somebody somebody really did a number on it and i had to bring it to the dry cleaner

[00:44:42] uh some guy was like give me that box it looks good i want to live in it and i was like fuck you man

[00:44:48] and then he took it and well then it got kind of not so good and i had to bring it to the dry

[00:44:56] cleaner to get it all cleaned up but now i have it back and i can easily the second the second my wife

[00:45:03] is like hey i think our marriage is in shambles i'm like cool gonna get in my cardboard box and i just

[00:45:08] get in my cardboard box and she can't see me and your wife is like jerry can't see her what happened

[00:45:14] to your head you're just it's just shoulders and nothing above it she's called she's calling the

[00:45:20] amulet shit my husband's decapitated himself jerry no oh god no

[00:45:30] it's like the invisibility cloak from harry potter except like you're like just for taking your head off

[00:45:41] hey kids you want to see a magic trick you just pop the box on they start screaming they're like oh my god

[00:45:50] aaron what do you like to do with your box your solid snake cardboard box dude i like to make a big

[00:45:56] castle out of them like i'll make a big castle a lot of different shapes and sizes of boxes

[00:46:01] and i'll make a little drawbridge to have a little kingdom let some peons in every so often be like

[00:46:07] all right you can come in and i'll protect you from the bad people but you need to pay me and you'd

[00:46:12] pay me taxes you have to get jobs till the land uh raise animals uh um um uh slaughter them pay tax

[00:46:21] get a platinum trophy and demon souls mostly just pay me money and i'll protect you um and then when my

[00:46:27] and then when the uh the subpoena comes for my my involuntary manslaughter charge uh i i like

[00:46:34] quickly evade them by hiding in my invisibility box

[00:46:39] and then i resume my my castle my kingdom dave how was the uh how was the beta program of the

[00:46:45] solid snake cardboard box it was uh it was it was amazing uh the best thing about it was so i got in

[00:46:51] the box in the back of my neighbor's pickup truck uh just hanging out before he goes to work

[00:46:56] and uh i just like teleported to an entirely new place it was like in indiana or some shit when i

[00:47:03] when i like came to when i lifted the box up it was like uh it's a whole new method of travel i'm

[00:47:09] never using an airplane ever again they're they're uh there's a multitude of things that you can do

[00:47:18] with these things let me tell you the downside of that though dave um with with those kinds of boxes

[00:47:23] you never know where you're gonna go sure that's true we'll take you to indiana probably the blandest

[00:47:28] plainest state in the u.s that's coming from a guy from iowa uh but let me tell you what yeah you

[00:47:34] never know where you're gonna go yeah that it could take you to indiana one day but one day you might go

[00:47:39] to rhode island the next the gulf of mexico the next uh uh the very honest trench i was gonna say the

[00:47:47] city dump it could be anywhere i don't know why those guys got in that submarine and blew up when

[00:47:52] all they had to do was get in the cardboard box go right straight to the fucking titanic you're

[00:47:57] goddamn right why take an elevator why take a potentially dangerous elevator we need to take

[00:48:02] a cardboard box yeah just take the cardboard perfect for the digital nomad in today's modern society

[00:48:10] that's right they can't serve you those papers if you don't have an address that's right to find you

[00:48:15] i'm literally always on the move i i exist nowhere and everywhere all at once it's just someone comes

[00:48:23] knocking are you uh you dave jackson you're like no the fuck i'm not and you yeah you just get in

[00:48:29] your box or there's just like i i'm running down the side of the road as like uh it's like a minivan

[00:48:36] is driving by and i dive in the back of it perfectly inside the box and it's gone or like yeah you're

[00:48:45] you're near uh there you how the fuck do i so there's other boxes around you right and you're also

[00:48:52] inside of a box like hiding inside of it so they don't know which boxes is you potentially there's too

[00:48:57] many boxes for them to check so you slowly sneak out of there in your box and every time they turn

[00:49:02] around you're slowly walking away and then you're like oh stop you turn this way and then

[00:49:09] yep whether you want to evade doing your taxes dealing with your marital problems or you just want to

[00:49:15] involuntary manslaughter yeah involuntary manslaughter you want to go somewhere hide away from the police

[00:49:20] for a bit solid snakes cardboard box has got you covered okay so listeners please act now if you

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[00:49:44] yeah 20 yeah two percent whatever jerry said your first order and then 20 off your next three orders

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[00:50:04] sweet sweet ass

[00:50:08] my nose all this laughing between last night's episode and this episode holy christ

[00:50:36] all right we're back just like that we are back i am i am refilled and i am i'm recharged the air i've

[00:50:44] drained myself the air has been uh has refilled my lungs i'm breathing again um i i don't know if

[00:50:50] you guys know this but as soon as we start an ad break i immediately just uh uh i don't know what

[00:50:55] where the fuck i'm going with this skip stop breathing yeah my body shuts down it's like okay okay time for

[00:51:01] an ab break you're like okay i just see you puff up like mario when he gets one of those pee balloons

[00:51:10] pee balloons that sounds not so great like a pee water balloon do you know what have you have you

[00:51:17] gotten that far i know i'm just joking i'm just being silly man i'm just being a big silly billy

[00:51:22] all right metal gear solid ladies and gentlemen what a game i recently beat this for the first time

[00:51:29] i want to say three months ago and dave i was back and forth talking to you about it and then

[00:51:35] i immediately started two but i'm not finished with two so i figured you know what let's let's

[00:51:41] talk about the first one and set the stage and then maybe at a later time we'll get you back on we'll

[00:51:47] do two and three little mishmash get those get those two uh blended in together because so far in

[00:51:53] two i i'm loving what i'm playing and that game gets some shit for some reason and i don't i don't

[00:51:59] get it i don't fucking understand why that game got the shit that it did i mean i do but i i don't

[00:52:04] yeah yeah yeah but metal gear solid one released september 3rd 1998 in japan and then october 20th in

[00:52:13] north america for the playstation then it was remade for the nintendo gamecube and released as

[00:52:18] metal gear solid the twin snakes in march of 2004 i've never really played uh the twin snakes i've

[00:52:27] i've like thrown it on but i've never actually like played it yeah dave have you played both of

[00:52:32] these nope just the uh playstation one version gotcha aaron you've uh you've played none of these

[00:52:41] right none but i'm gonna download them i've been interested in the metal gear solid series

[00:52:45] you definitely should like everybody worships hideo kojima like he's some kind of god

[00:52:50] i think he's kind of up his own ass i mean he definitely is but this but that's not a reason

[00:52:58] why i kind of games though like that that's yeah that's a stupid reason i hate the game i mean it

[00:53:02] could be a good one because kojima is up his own ass i mean not not as far up his ass as jeff

[00:53:08] keely is up his ass but he's pretty up his own ass but i will say that seeing this game and putting

[00:53:18] yourself back when this game came out and seeing what this game did i went you know i can kind of

[00:53:27] see why he's up his own ass because these games are really really fucking good games and they were

[00:53:33] doing some really different shit where it was like oh i don't think anybody really thought about doing

[00:53:38] stuff like this in a video game before not to mention i was blown away that it was fully voice

[00:53:42] acted yeah like what the fuck and not not only fully voice acted but like really good voice acting

[00:53:49] like this is 1998 we're talking about like this is think about the voice acting in the first silent

[00:53:57] hill game or the first resident evil game that's 96 and 99 for those two well fucking shenmue shenmue

[00:54:04] came out i think 99 or 2000 and the voice acting was like not the best right so it's like uh the only

[00:54:12] two games from like this era that i think have like really good voice acting that i know of off the top

[00:54:17] of my head metal gear solid and then legacy of kane soul reaver has really good voice acting that was a

[00:54:23] year later yeah so like the the presentation of this think about like what's the most popular game from

[00:54:30] 1998 it's like ocarina of time was 98 and then pokemon came out in 98 like those were the really popular

[00:54:39] games and then metal gear solid has like this crazy presentation the voice acting is awesome

[00:54:44] um you have like a ridiculous story uh you have pretty innovative gameplay too so like and for all

[00:54:52] the talk about kojima kind of you know drinking his own kool-aid as far as storytelling goes uh

[00:55:01] gameplay is where i actually think he is really really innovative and doesn't get enough credit

[00:55:06] for like just throwing new ideas into gameplay all the time all the way up until like he turned

[00:55:14] walking into an entire game in death stranding and it was fucking awesome did you play death

[00:55:18] straight yeah did you play death stranding dude this is the thing i i remember being like there's

[00:55:23] no fucking way i'm gonna play this game and if i do i'm not gonna like it and then i was like you

[00:55:27] know what fuck it i'll i'll try this and like four hours later i'm like this is this is this amazing

[00:55:34] yeah it's really it's really good like the story is terrible i think but the game is fucking weird

[00:55:39] the gameplay in death stranding is so good and i just like it's you know metal gear solid one i

[00:55:45] don't think the gameplay is like i don't like it really but it's trying a bunch of new stuff and it's

[00:55:52] like pretty basic you know you just play stealth by watching the mini map in this game basically like

[00:55:59] it's not it's not that great the combat's real bad like it's like it doesn't have it's not at that

[00:56:07] point metal gear solid two and three get closer where it's like you can actually sneak up behind

[00:56:12] a guard and do a stealth takedown the way that you think it should work it's like doesn't work in the

[00:56:17] first game but like there's a bunch of ideas that they're being tried and so it's creative at the at

[00:56:25] the very least yeah and then i will say this too because there are two ways to play this game

[00:56:32] i would say play this however way you can yeah however way you decide because either way you're

[00:56:39] going to have a good time with it um if i would say like if because i know some people are a little bit

[00:56:45] put off by the abrasive look of like a ps1 game i actually enjoy that aesthetic oh yeah embrace it

[00:56:53] embrace the fact that snake doesn't have a face in this game yeah it's just like a blurry like mess yeah

[00:57:00] but like i don't know there's something i like that era of polygons like the sharp just weird

[00:57:07] looking polygons and like those slight blur to things yeah like if you can play that on emulation

[00:57:13] throw like a nice crt filter on there make sure you got those scan lines on because they do make a

[00:57:18] difference and just embrace that shitty texture and it's in its glory but like if i get it if that's

[00:57:27] something that you're like i really don't like the look of this stuff the the gamecube one definitely

[00:57:31] looks really fucking good like it still still looks really good to this day um i don't think there's a

[00:57:38] whole lot of differences in the two i think the major one i think they redid the cut scenes the uh

[00:57:46] think the other main difference is the gameplay it plays like metal gear solid 2 does in the gamecube

[00:57:53] version oh yeah yeah so it has like really easy like first person aiming and stuff which was uh kind

[00:58:00] of a hassle in the first metal gear solid game yeah so big it's like it's probably better from a play

[00:58:06] experience on the gamecube but like i beat the one on playstation with uh only using cheats to insta

[00:58:13] kill bosses three times so you can do it

[00:58:18] yeah yeah man use those cheats if you have to some of those bosses were fucking hard dude yeah

[00:58:24] they're terrible the really difficult the the tank yeah the i used the cheats so like i think i was

[00:58:31] playing i think it was duck station duck station has uh just like a cheat that's like insta kill

[00:58:36] any of the bosses and i used it for the helicopter i used it for the metal gear fight and then the final

[00:58:42] uh fist fight at the end oh boy that fight jesus christ almighty that fight yep i mean i i remember

[00:58:53] playing this briefly when it came out years and years and years ago and i remember getting to the

[00:59:00] the essentially the first major major boss was the the tank guy and i just remember being like man

[00:59:07] fuck this guy like this is impossible like how am i even supposed to do this then when i actually

[00:59:13] picked it up and played it again and i was like all right i'm gonna fuck this guy up like i'm an adult

[00:59:18] now you can't fucking tell me what to do and then i'd go to bed that'd be him and i'm like

[00:59:23] fuck yeah then i get the ninja and i'm like what the fuck is this like it's getting way harder

[00:59:31] psycho mantis was kind of like a gimmick boss like he wasn't too too bad yeah he's still

[00:59:35] kind of difficult dude sniper wolf though terrible you have trouble with this fucking boss uh jesus

[00:59:42] christ the one the one that's in like the first one yeah the one in the hallways awful what the

[00:59:49] it's real bad the one in the woods is cool though the one in the woods is really cool um i i love that

[00:59:57] whole that scene that fight everything about that is really awesome vulcan raven is uh is my favorite

[01:00:04] boss fight in metal gear solid one he's good yeah that's a that's a good fair fight it's still

[01:00:10] difficult like that's the thing none of these boss fights are all that easy um but he's he's he's

[01:00:16] difficult but not like it doesn't feel like i'm getting cheesed by the fucking boss yeah you know

[01:00:23] whereas like some of the other ones i'm just like what the fuck definite how is this even

[01:00:27] definitely for sure so yeah i would say play the play whatever one you want if if aesthetics are

[01:00:35] are a thing for you that you don't like the ps1 go with the gamecube one i would say if you're gonna

[01:00:40] play the ps1 if you if you have a mr absolutely played on the mr it that's how i played it recently

[01:00:47] and it was flawless right down to even like the controller swapping and shit like that um was

[01:00:55] really easy like i literally unplugged from one usb and plugged it into another and it was like ah

[01:01:02] you switch controllers you dirty bastard

[01:01:06] you dirty bastard you dirty dog or if you have original hardware or like there's the metal gear

[01:01:12] solid collection that you can play this on there's a lot of ways that you can play this game just play

[01:01:17] it play it somehow just just play it yeah even if uh play it i will even if you just want to play it

[01:01:23] as like a a curiosity because it's like a super famous super influential game um if you just want

[01:01:30] to play it to see what it is then like i still recommend it because there's a bunch of cool stuff

[01:01:37] yeah for sure speaking of cool stuff dude that story what the fuck what the fuck dude with this

[01:01:45] story like okay the story itself on at first is very like cool i mean if you don't know about metal

[01:01:53] gear then you'll just be like okay so you're some espionage guy you got to go to this arctic like

[01:01:59] military base that's like a nuclear base yeah you got to stop the bad guys on paper pretty simple

[01:02:06] but then you're like you get into like cloning and like there's like all these twists and like

[01:02:13] then again the narrative of this game at the time must have been like mind-blowing once it started

[01:02:21] going once it got going and you were like oh well i didn't really think that video games could

[01:02:26] do this kind of like cinematic approach like of course we had we had long drawn out like elaborate

[01:02:35] epic tales in like rpg games but we never really had like these blockbuster like movie

[01:02:42] fucking games like this like it wasn't it wasn't like this this is like a felt like you this is like

[01:02:49] a bond movie game like a like a spy thriller game and then so it starts out that way like you said like

[01:02:56] there's these terrorists that might have uh a nuclear weapon and they might have the ability to use a

[01:03:03] metal gear which is like a it's a mech for anyone who doesn't know what a metal gear is it's a mech that

[01:03:09] can shoot nuclear weapons yeah so it's a it's a big deal so like you you play in the super soldier

[01:03:15] you're going in there to try and you know stop them and that that's your like basic spy story setup but

[01:03:21] once you get in there and you start getting into all like the the family dynamics and there's uh

[01:03:29] like are we doing spoilers on this yes we can do spoilers so i guess just to just a tag here if you

[01:03:38] if you've been listening to us up to this point you're like you know what god damn it maybe i will

[01:03:42] check this out and if you do carry about story skip ahead a little bit i'll put it you'll see in the

[01:03:49] episode notes it'll tell you where the spoilers start and end okay but uh go ahead dave spoil away

[01:03:56] so snake gets double crossed and backstabbed like 37 times in this game basically every character

[01:04:06] is betraying him at some point and top 10 anime between the fox yeah and and especially like

[01:04:14] so let's let's just say for the sake of argument that this game is is 15 hours long i don't remember

[01:04:20] exactly how long it is but let's just say 15 hours all right in the last three hours there are like

[01:04:27] 11 plot twists it is it's like an insane amount of plot twists about like actually the the they're

[01:04:35] evil actually like no this person's double crossing snake actually no the pentagon is double crossing

[01:04:42] snake and then actually oh he's his brother and they're twins and he's liquid snake is mad because

[01:04:49] they're twin brothers they're clones but snake got all the good genes and he got all the bad genes

[01:04:54] and he's angry about that but actually it's the opposite liquid has all the good genes snake has all the

[01:05:00] bad genes and there's a shit they have nano machines and there's a nano machine virus and the president

[01:05:06] knows about this and this is all like the president did all this to wipe out everybody to cover up the

[01:05:12] united states's involvement in this whole thing and this is all like the fuck these these are dude

[01:05:18] i'm these are like half of the plot twists we're only half yeah we're only halfway through the plot

[01:05:23] that's the i just picture kojima in the like the writer's room while they're making this and it's just

[01:05:29] the the meme picture of charlie day with the cork board oh yeah pointing back at it like strings and

[01:05:36] shit and then also you it the camera pans over and m night shaman is just at a table like handcuffed

[01:05:42] at the table and they're like write the twist yeah write the twist we need another twist

[01:05:48] it's uh it's it's crazy enough and like twist it pop it so i've only played i in the series so i i

[01:05:58] play them all for the first time in the last like couple years and uh i've only played one two and

[01:06:04] three at this point and two is crazy because it goes on like this philosophy ted talk uh that's

[01:06:11] like absolutely insane it's like it's really good content but it's insane the way it's delivered

[01:06:16] but it doesn't have like the plot twist a minute like metal gear solid one has and then metal gear

[01:06:22] solid three is like it's just a normal story uh they like it's got wacko characters in it but it's

[01:06:28] it's a fairly normal story and then and i think that's why it's everyone's favorite because like

[01:06:34] you can play that game and be like i know exactly what happened in that story i know how to feel about

[01:06:40] this metal gear solid one is such a wild like bumpo's house of tricks ride that when you finish it you're

[01:06:48] like i don't know whose allegiances lie anywhere but i'm just fighting this guy on the top of a burning

[01:06:55] mech and everyone's shirtless and oh yeah dude erin i'm telling you it's like the the last like two or

[01:07:05] three hours of this game is like everything that you would want from like the cheesiest but best like

[01:07:11] action thriller of like the 90s it's like it's all that just encompassed into a game and like

[01:07:20] the thing is like after twist after twist after twist in the story eventually you're like this is

[01:07:27] like a parody or something like this is this is ridiculous like it's hard to take this serious but

[01:07:31] then the more that it goes on for me i was like starting to kind of drink the kool-aid a bit and i

[01:07:36] was like actually this is kind of fucking amazing like i kind of like this well the thing that's amazing

[01:07:41] about it in in the the reason why it works because as a like as a story it just has too many plot

[01:07:48] twists to be anything that where you're going to be like i'm a hundred percent in on the plot like

[01:07:54] and i like i got to a point where i was like i don't care what happens but i'm along for the ride

[01:08:01] here but the reason that the story works is because the characters are all really memorable like all the

[01:08:08] all the i forget what they're called in this game all the foxhound people uh like vulcan raven and

[01:08:14] sniper wolf and liquid snake of course and uh the who's like uh gray fox and all the other characters

[01:08:23] psycho mantis and all of them they're all really memorable so when they show up they always steal

[01:08:28] scenes they're great and then you have like a throughout all of this fucking madness you have

[01:08:36] like actual like story themes that are not like crazy deep or anything like that but you can follow

[01:08:43] along with like the themes of how governments treat people as disposable especially soldiers and

[01:08:50] how there's a character in here who like looks up to snake and snakes like i'm not a hero

[01:08:55] and uh you know all of that stuff so you can follow along with that you get all these you know this

[01:09:04] what's the word like this rogues gallery of like just ridiculous characters along the way

[01:09:08] and then you go on this roller coaster of plot twists and it ends with snake and liquid snake

[01:09:16] shirtless screaming at each other on top of a burning mech

[01:09:20] yeah fuck yeah it's it's almost dude aaron you have to play this game the sound is almost like

[01:09:26] the the ending to i think aliens or alien three whichever one has like the little girl

[01:09:32] and uh sigourney weaver is in that mech gets in the mech yeah she's like you bitch she's pushing the uh

[01:09:39] yeah the the alien queen or whatever it's like it sounds like that but like yeah less less shirts

[01:09:47] yeah dude it's it's so good it's i don't know there's something about it like after i again i can't

[01:09:55] reiterate more that after i came away from this game i was like after you came yeah after i came

[01:10:00] and then put the game controller down i was like fuck sakes man kojima kind of is he is fucking

[01:10:08] awesome god damn it like i've been i've been dissing this dude for being up his own ass for so long and

[01:10:15] it's like man i'd be up my own ass too if i came up with these fucking games what's uh what's interesting

[01:10:22] too is uh so i i recently played the original metal gear from the msx oh and how was that it's uh it's

[01:10:32] not good but uh i heard metal i hear metal gear 2 is is better like it's not bad but it's not a good

[01:10:38] game um like it works and stuff and it's like there's some interesting stuff that like from that time

[01:10:46] you can see the creativity of like you know using gadgets and stuff like that in such a limited

[01:10:53] game but you can see uh that game has like the plot twist that you then it's then referenced in

[01:11:01] metal gear solid one where big boss is the father of snake and uh uh liquid and so like they're they're

[01:11:11] continuing that story in this game and that game has the same kind of setup where snake goes in to

[01:11:18] stop terrorists who might have you know access to nuclear weapons and stuff like that then like the

[01:11:24] whole thing gets turned upside down and then they kind of like redo it in this game and then later

[01:11:30] games in the series that i won't spoil kind of like redo what this game does in interesting meta ways

[01:11:36] so like there's that element to kojima's creativity and like so i think that kojima actually is really

[01:11:45] good uh but it's it's just like if you play the games i think that the themes of kojima's stories

[01:11:52] are often really shallow but everything else about them is really fun and really inventive and then

[01:12:00] there's like this stranding i couldn't explain like people were like you like this game i'm like dude i

[01:12:04] love this game they're like what do you like about i'm like i don't know they're like what do you mean

[01:12:07] you don't know i'm like i don't know i just like i don't know i just walk around and deliver stuff

[01:12:12] and then sometimes there's weird monster things that come out of the fucking the ground and turn

[01:12:17] things to a muddy ocean and then i have to scramble for my life and then then i get a cool weird ass

[01:12:23] cutscene that i don't understand where the story's going they're like yeah and you like this and i'm like

[01:12:27] yeah i fucking love it sometimes you just like sometimes you just like put a ladder in the perfect

[01:12:33] spot and it feels amazing and people who didn't play death stranding have no idea exactly i know

[01:12:39] exactly you're just like oh oh oh oh oh oh my god it fucking worked perfectly it's like it's like i was

[01:12:46] meant to climb this ladder perfectly from this little ledge to that little ledge and then you get up and

[01:12:52] you're like oh man can i actually trudge through all this snow on the top of this mountain i think i

[01:12:57] can and then you like then the next scene is just you like tumbling down and like all your luggage

[01:13:01] shit just going flying everywhere and there is a certain sense of disparity when you lose all that

[01:13:09] precious cargo and you just see it tumbling down a mountain you're like fuck god damn it i was so

[01:13:16] close to delivering this i've never played that but anyways we're not here to talk about death

[01:13:23] stranding yeah i've seen a lot of people play that game and it looks pretty fucking wild i can't wait for

[01:13:28] the sequel i'm so excited it's gonna be so it's gonna be so stupid and i can't wait that guy with

[01:13:33] the lightning guitar thing come on man that's so fucking amazing more stranded no stranded

[01:13:41] oh man stranded again there we go when people were like what the fuck they're making another one

[01:13:45] i was like yeah they're making another one because the people that actually played this game thought

[01:13:48] it was fucking awesome yeah

[01:13:52] cool um yeah now that that kind of encompasses metal gear solid one now if you if you like what

[01:14:00] you've heard i highly encourage you as i said to go play this game any way that you can we didn't do

[01:14:06] a good job of explaining the story like we did a fantastic job we did the best job of explaining

[01:14:12] the story we did as good this is a this is a bunch of men in a room trying their best okay

[01:14:19] it's been a while since i played it yeah yeah you can do it you can explain it better than i can

[01:14:26] because i recently played it and i was still like oh yeah yeah that twist oh yeah yeah yeah that twist

[01:14:32] but yeah um one thing that i did want to do is i kind of wanted to go around uh like a round table

[01:14:39] and talk about like the core memories that you remember from the game and then i realized aaron

[01:14:46] has never played this case i'm like i'm like aaron has not so you guys got it no no no no no no when

[01:14:52] it gets to you i want you to share share a core memory from like tell me your earliest memory of

[01:14:59] childhood i was gonna say aaron just say something that you think happens in metal gear solid and

[01:15:05] jerry and i will tell you how far off you are okay um so dave why don't you go first what's a core

[01:15:13] memory that you remember from this game so i missed the boat on like all like the cool meta stuff like

[01:15:21] there's a early thing where you need to find a radio frequency and they're like check the check

[01:15:26] the glass case and it's like it's in the it's on the back of the game box the cd case yeah the cd

[01:15:33] case like i don't have the cd i'm playing on an emulator so i i had to look that up and the

[01:15:38] psycho mantis thing like psycho mantis couldn't do the thing to me where he's like oh you like playing

[01:15:44] spyro the dragon don't you little boy or whatever he would say little boy he couldn't do that to me

[01:15:50] it would have been really funny if he looked on my steam deck it was like you like playing you've

[01:15:54] played metal gear rising revengeance six times haven't you but i i couldn't get that stuff so

[01:16:03] there's a bunch of really weird stuff the big memory for me is um thinking there's this scene

[01:16:09] where snake gets tortured in this game and you have to mash the button oh yeah and it's like an insane

[01:16:14] button mashing thing like i don't know how anyone would do it with normal thumbs uh i had to do the

[01:16:20] trick where like i put my now i couldn't do that like that that was too slow i had to do the trick

[01:16:26] where i i put the controller on my lap i pull my shirt over the controller and then just like side

[01:16:32] to side over the button with my shirt so like there's no friction it's going quick and even with

[01:16:38] that i barely beat it and so like there's a if you beat the i think it's if you beat the torture

[01:16:45] thing meryl survives and if you fail she dies i think is how it works uh and that was the only way

[01:16:51] i could save meryl was by doing that it is insane but i was doing that thinking like how many people

[01:16:57] broke their playstation controllers back in the day trying to do this thing because it's insane and it

[01:17:02] lasts a really long time it does it's like multiple like attempts at doing this and it just keeps getting

[01:17:08] harder and harder yeah and like by the end of it my whole shoulder blade was like sore and i was like

[01:17:14] dude you're you are too old what are you doing right now like you should be you should be relaxing

[01:17:19] uh your body is telling you during that my memories are there's just like little things that happen in

[01:17:29] metal gear solid that i i can try and like put myself back in 1998 and think like this would have

[01:17:34] blown my mind and so obviously other than psychomantis and stuff like this game has like guards that

[01:17:42] patrol and they'll like go to the bathroom and you can sneak up and knock them out while they're

[01:17:47] pissing and like stuff like that so fast yeah just just a little bit uh stuff like that like little

[01:17:54] details that like if i had seen this in 98 would be like video game enemies don't go to the bathroom

[01:18:00] they just like they walk in straight lines forever but these these guards do they fall like people yeah

[01:18:06] people that piss kojima has like a he he likes pissing uh it's in it's in a lot of his games

[01:18:14] uh including being like a a button you press in death stranding to like piss outside that's awesome

[01:18:22] yeah um here exactly bring on the piss in metal gear solid 2 there's a part where you're like sneaking

[01:18:29] on a thing and there's a guard on the floor above you pissing off a ledge and it's like going over

[01:18:34] you as you're sneaking uh so it's a it's a thing it's in i would venture to say it's in all of his

[01:18:40] games i haven't played them all but i'm just gonna guess um but there's like little touches like that

[01:18:45] where just little gameplay things you know you can put your back up against a wall and you can bang on

[01:18:50] the wall to make noise and get a guard to come over to you and like what stealth like these games

[01:18:56] invented stealth so like what games were doing stuff like this before that the answer is probably none

[01:19:02] so yeah stuff like that sticks out to other than all the fucking wild story it's like it's like you

[01:19:08] said right like it it's a showcase of kind of going oh yeah kojima did know what he was doing it's back

[01:19:16] then like i get the feeling like when i play basically all of these in metal gear solid 3 was

[01:19:22] really like this too where you can imagine them going through scene by scene and they have they have

[01:19:30] like a um like a wireframe of how this level is laid out where the guards are where you need to go and

[01:19:38] then kojima or whoever else i don't want to say it's only him but they just look and they're like

[01:19:44] well what if we did this cool thing here what if there was a what if there was a circuit breaker here

[01:19:49] and if you shoot the breaker the guards will run over and check it and then well this level has bathrooms

[01:19:55] what if the guards went in the bathroom and and pissed every now and then and then just all of

[01:20:00] these little ideas all these little ideas it's it's imagine if it was just kojima in the writer's

[01:20:06] room being like what if what if they're just pissing when they're like what if they're all like the last

[01:20:13] ones you said were pissing like can we do something else and he's like i don't know like what else is

[01:20:17] there to do and they're like i don't know put a breaker box or something what if okay let's move on to

[01:20:21] the next room hear me out so this room kojima there's a there's a metal gear uh you piss on this

[01:20:27] yeah they're like jesus hideo like it doesn't always have to be the piss hear me out what if he's

[01:20:33] shitting that's true and everyone's like this guy's good yeah oh shit piss shit poop i i distinctly

[01:20:48] remember how wild it was trying to figure out how to get out of that fucking cell toward the end of

[01:20:55] the game it's right before i think it's after right before the torture scene and you're like stuck in

[01:21:01] this cell and i'm like what am i supposed to be doing here like i don't understand like i'm knocking

[01:21:07] on the door the guy is like telling me to shut up there's a guy patrolling and i was like i just i

[01:21:13] don't know what i'm supposed to be doing here and then i i'm like going through all of my items

[01:21:18] and which i don't have very many of because they strip you down and like take all your shit away

[01:21:24] but for some reason i had a packet of ketchup yeah in in the inventory and i was like what the fuck does

[01:21:30] this even mean like why would i even have this so i equipped it just take a little and i was just

[01:21:37] i was like i equipped it and i'm like like what is it like i'm trying to use it and it's like not

[01:21:43] doing anything and i'm like can i crawl under this bed and i i got into the crawl position but then i

[01:21:49] checked my phone for something and then when i looked up i was like did i fucking die somehow what the

[01:21:56] fuck's going on the ketchup if you lay down on the ground when you have the ketchup packet equipped

[01:22:03] it starts to seep out and looks like blood then the guard is like holy shit he killed himself and

[01:22:09] then when he comes in you kick the shit out of him and leave and i was like this is a masterpiece

[01:22:13] this is a fucking masterpiece dude the do you remember the story explanation for why you have

[01:22:18] ketchup too because it's really funny i can't remember otacon lighten me gave it to you because

[01:22:24] he thought you'd be hungry in your prison cell choose eat ketchup yeah and so like you you call him

[01:22:31] he helps you get out of the prison cell and he keeps saying like you must be hungry i'll get you

[01:22:37] something to eat and steaks like get me out of the prison cell i'll eat later yeah he's like i gave you

[01:22:42] the packet of ketchup because i thought you might get hungry in there it's like you what did you had

[01:22:47] access to give me ketchup but you let me go in the prison cell like what are you doing man

[01:22:53] that's what happens it's pretty wild yeah the the sniper wolf death also sticks out to me just because

[01:23:00] it was like it was one of the moments in the game that was actually like it felt like i was starting

[01:23:07] kind of get in the feels a little bit or something like it was like weird oh this is like a a moment

[01:23:12] here that's happening like when you finally kill her and she kind of gives like that that cool monologue

[01:23:17] and shit and it's like it's all snowy and it's like just this the entire setting of that i don't

[01:23:22] want to spoil too much but like the entire setting of that second fight the first fuck that first fight

[01:23:27] the second fight though we were saying earlier is so fucking good it's all like the setting of it is

[01:23:33] really nice and it's just a fucking cool fight and then just a fantastic little monologue toward the

[01:23:39] end yep agreed it's it's one of the few emotional parts in the game like this this game this is not

[01:23:49] an emotional game it's uh it's a it's a game of anime plot twists over and over and over again uh but

[01:23:57] there is that one part in there that is like they build on that in future games for sure

[01:24:04] yeah a sticky ketchupy mess of a game put that on the box aaron uh what was your favorite memory

[01:24:13] uh i really enjoyed the part where uh where solid snake got his hands on on an elephant

[01:24:20] and he he rode it through the uh through the african badlands um um chasing after

[01:24:29] big boss and uh and then big boss did a sick drift in a toyota supra but then he flipped the car and

[01:24:37] died that's a i think that happens in metal gear solid 5 so you're yeah you're not too far in the

[01:24:43] desert in that one awesome you're in the african desert is it the african desert yeah you are in

[01:24:47] africa right i think it's the middle east is it it might be africa i don't know i haven't played it

[01:24:53] yeah that's uh either way i'm right yeah 100 yeah i mean yeah yeah that's a that's core memory

[01:24:59] yeah yeah that's the uh the only the best kojima dave have

[01:25:08] kojima dave have you played the vr missions nope uh i did not like the gameplay in this game so i

[01:25:14] wasn't gonna just do like gameplay wireframe challenges no way yeah so here's here's a funny

[01:25:21] story about vr missions when i started first hearing about this game probably like i think i

[01:25:28] got my ps1 in 1999 and by that time there was some absolute bangers out for the system you know

[01:25:37] final fantasy 7 was out spire was out and then i remember a friend of mine was like dude you have

[01:25:44] to get metal gear solid i was like oh yeah i think i remember seeing this in like egm or something

[01:25:51] like some magazine i remember seeing like all this hubbub about this game so i'm like all right i'm

[01:25:56] gonna go monthly hubbub monthly oh so it's up to that i go i get my mom to bring me to like some

[01:26:07] department store and i'm like i i'm gonna use some some money to get this game and i go and i'm

[01:26:15] like oh fuck is it a bargain bin man this is awesome it's only like 5.99 this is perfect so i grab it i

[01:26:21] bring it back and i'm like playing it i'm like this game kind of sucks what's the big deal with this

[01:26:27] game so like i was on like christmas vacation at my grandparents like with my family when i got

[01:26:34] the playstation one in like this game so when i came back my buddy comes over and he's like

[01:26:39] throw on metal gear and i was like dude this game fucking sucks like a lot what is the big deal about

[01:26:47] this game and he's like man it's so good and i was like dude all right well i can't pass like

[01:26:53] this level so i throw it on he's like what the fuck is this and i was like metal gear solid he's like

[01:26:59] no the fuck it's not this is not metal gear solid and i was like well it is it says it right here

[01:27:05] metal gear solid and he's like yeah the vr missions what is this even i was like i don't know man you

[01:27:12] told me to get metal gear and this was five dollars in a bin and he was like this is not the right game

[01:27:17] so it wasn't until a lot later that i actually played metal gear solid properly uh i had vr missions

[01:27:25] that's the one that i owned did not own metal gear i mean technically you did though technically

[01:27:33] i want to i own i own basically like a training tutorial of metal gear there you go challenges

[01:27:42] yeah yeah but yeah that's uh that's metal gear solid in a nutshell kind of just want to sing its

[01:28:05] praise and uh we'll hopefully be back to do another episode with dave to do some more coverage

[01:28:12] on metal gear solid 2 and 3 eventually hope you're ready for uh hope you're ready for the the philosophy

[01:28:18] talk in metal gear solid 2 because oh i'm ready it is uh it's insane yeah aaron you you're gonna

[01:28:25] have to play metal gear solid 2 when we when we reconvene with dave is that is that on ps2

[01:28:32] yeah it's not it's in the collection too yeah oh the collection also on ps2 okay okay yeah yeah i

[01:28:39] forgot about the collection okay well yeah i mean you can emulate it you can you can emulate this no

[01:28:44] problem we don't we don't emulate here on retro rehabs yes we certainly

[01:28:52] but yeah so dave thank you so much for coming here tonight i know that you're uh you're busy guy and

[01:28:57] you're you got a lot of stuff on the go with tales from the backlog top three butt rock rocks butts

[01:29:04] all the things that that you're you know you're a first class top shelf man about um but go ahead go

[01:29:11] ahead and plug and promote all your stuff again please yeah thank you um first of all thanks for

[01:29:17] for inviting me and uh i i don't know how i became the metal gear solid guy uh i literally just played

[01:29:24] them all for the first time in the last year and a half but uh they were fun to talk about so i

[01:29:29] appreciate the invite to come on and and talk to you guys it's fun talking with you guys anyway so

[01:29:35] i appreciate that thanks man um if anyone wants to check out the shows that i do i do tales from the

[01:29:41] backlog which again is uh every game every episode is a different game in depth um we do a deep dive

[01:29:48] analysis it's usually two hours is two hours is like the minimum for most episodes uh me and aaron

[01:29:56] did a real short ones that i yeah the the resident evil 2 episode that jerry was on was almost three

[01:30:02] hours um god damn the one aaron was on for pizza tower was less than one hour but you know there's

[01:30:08] no story in pizza tower so that's right that was a short one but no philosophical breakdown yeah

[01:30:13] a lot of uh a lot of deep philosophical undertones in pizza tower that frankly they're they're too

[01:30:20] advanced for me uh so we just had to pass them on to the phds to uh to understand what's going on

[01:30:27] there but the pizza hut dicks that's what pj phd stands for yes and i don't know what the h in phd

[01:30:35] stands for so i'm i'm i'm gonna trust you so uh yeah tales physical doctor

[01:30:44] um oh okay if if there are metal gear fans listening i've done episodes on metal gear solid

[01:30:52] one two and three at this point on the show and i'm working my way through the series so metal

[01:30:57] gear solid four is up next we can count up to four and five but there's peace walker in there

[01:31:04] i also did a bonus episode on my patreon about the first metal gear game um sorry the first metal gear

[01:31:11] game uh if anyone wants to check that out um but i i do lots and lots of different shows uh games on

[01:31:18] my show and you can um listen to any episode because again it's no spoiler for the first half

[01:31:23] of every episode uh usually at least an hour of no spoiler talk um and then after that we warn you

[01:31:30] full spoiler discussion comes after that so you can find a game you've been like curious about but

[01:31:36] don't want to be spoiled on or you can find a game that you're very familiar with and hear

[01:31:40] you know a discussion about the story and stuff my show does both yep love love love the format of

[01:31:46] your show dave so good everybody go check that out before we get going though one thing that we

[01:31:51] always do it was we give what we like to call here at retro rehab

[01:31:59] random recommended games almost forgot about this little uh little tidbit here that wasn't fred durst

[01:32:07] what gives that was me actually

[01:32:13] um so dave this is the part when we randomly recommend date that's a word that came out of my

[01:32:21] jerry brain um okay we yeah you just it's a game that you're like you know what this is an old game

[01:32:27] i highly recommend you go play this at some highly what recommend date there we go there we go there we

[01:32:35] go uh my so dave if there's yeah sorry go ahead oh sorry i was gonna say my recommend date tation

[01:32:42] i think that's the right conjugation recommend date tation yeah is uh i think that people should

[01:32:49] play shadow tower abyss on the playstation 2 yes dude shadow fuck yeah i just finished it play this

[01:32:57] yeah i just finished it i just did recorded my podcast on it it is a from software game from

[01:33:03] the playstation 2 so this was before demon souls this was before this was before hidetaka miyazaki

[01:33:10] even worked at the company um this was back when they were doing armored core and then they're

[01:33:16] doing king's field and under other first person like dungeon crawling rpgs the thing about shadow

[01:33:21] tower abyss is uh it is a king's field like first person dungeon crawler rpgs but also you have

[01:33:29] guns and it's goofy as shit uh so you literally you'll fight goblins and stuff with with swords and

[01:33:37] hammers and it has like a it has directional sword swings and it has a dismemberment system so like

[01:33:43] if you're fighting an enemy with a big crazy club arm you can cut that arm off and then it can't

[01:33:48] hurt you anymore but also you could just pull out a fucking m16 and shoot what the fuck yep dude

[01:33:56] when i when i tuned in to watching him stream this he was like he was just using like a sword or

[01:34:02] something at first and like swatting at these bees and then all of a sudden it's like

[01:34:07] and i was like what the fuck is this game are you what are you playing right now you know that meme

[01:34:12] where it's like the old guy and he's like call an ambulance but not for me it's that in a fantasy

[01:34:19] game that's the game um the thing about shadow tower abyss is it was never officially localized

[01:34:26] so you have to emulate a fan translation or play a japanese version of it i guess but the fan

[01:34:32] translation is fine it's from software there's not much text anyway so it's it's perfectly doable

[01:34:39] and it's a lot of fun it's a very weird game and that's my uh game that i'm recommend dating to

[01:34:46] all of you hell yeah dude i uh i back that i back that choice it's very cool yeah yes definitely

[01:34:54] check that one out very cool uh aaron aaron what you got lay it on me okay i started digging into more

[01:35:02] uh game boy color shit you're the handheld guy you hold hands i do hold hands i love to hold hands man

[01:35:07] it's my thing let's all get my rocks off which thank you for giving me those rocks in order to

[01:35:13] get off dave anyway uh stupid stupid joke i got a nice so i got a nice soapstone over here that you

[01:35:18] can rub all over yourself yes please yeah so so bomber or pocket bomber man i think it's it's bomber

[01:35:27] man pocket or pocket bomber man i forget but it's like a 2d side scroller with bomber man instead of

[01:35:33] doing like the the top down bases like typical bomber man fashion it's uh you go through each stage

[01:35:39] and there's kind of like a different way you're supposed to get through each obstacle like you

[01:35:44] you'll throw a bomb down on something it blows it up get a power up uh enemies have their little

[01:35:49] patterns and what they'll do so you have to blow them up and then basically you blow up all the

[01:35:54] enemies with bombs uh door opens at the at a certain point in the level so you have to go back to the

[01:35:59] where the door is exit and then do that for each level but each each level each different like

[01:36:05] chapter has different gimmicks to introduce and um yeah it's just a fun little little puzzle

[01:36:10] platformer and bomber man i have to check this out yeah yeah bomber i can never get enough bomber man

[01:36:15] i really like only about two hours long it's very short bomber man's uh super underrated

[01:36:21] series like they very i don't think they've made one in a while so i think people forgot but bomber

[01:36:27] man's always a good time it is david i didn't realize that you were a bomber man man i grew up

[01:36:34] well not like i'm not gonna act like it raised me or something but like we played a lot of the uh

[01:36:39] bomber man's my dad yeah

[01:36:44] but he's not my father

[01:36:47] so uh bomber man 64 multiplayer was one that we played a lot when we were younger that was so much

[01:36:54] fun hell yeah yeah i am i'm i'm a big fan of of bomber man i i recently beat bomber man hero

[01:37:06] on 64 yeah that was holy shit that game is so good like unbelievably good and the soundtrack

[01:37:13] dude soundtrack jameson did an i'm pretty sure didn't jameson do an episode on the bomber man 64

[01:37:18] sound or the bomber man hero soundtrack oh yeah he did it if you go to spotify i'm pretty sure he did

[01:37:22] search for bomber man hero it's the first thing that comes up always hell yeah nice yep it's awesome

[01:37:28] oh my god dude the music in bomber man hero is so good i just i but i'm telling you right now

[01:37:34] dude aaron just go play bomber man saturn again and again and again i always do and again it's

[01:37:41] almost like a daily routine for me it's the best one it's the best dave have you played bomber man

[01:37:46] saturn nope never heard of it it's the best one it's just bomber man on sega saturn oh that's that's

[01:37:53] why because i've never seen a sega saturn in person before you know what i feel like sega saturn's

[01:38:00] getting it's like comeuppance now like it's definitely having a resurgence yeah people are

[01:38:05] like oh wait shit this was a good console and there were really good games on this but nobody gave a

[01:38:10] fuck yeah like for years but yeah no i would highly recommend that but i definitely want to check out

[01:38:18] this pocket power man you got me you intrigued me on this one my random recommended game is dragon

[01:38:24] quest one specifically the snes remake that has like dragon was one and two mashed together i came to a

[01:38:32] conclusion recently that i think i give a shit more about dragon quest than i do final fantasy in terms of

[01:38:38] going back and playing all of the games um and i i've tried to play final fantasy one a few times

[01:38:48] in the many different versions of that game that have come out but i picked this up one day and i

[01:38:57] couldn't put it down it was simplistic it was charming and it was just it was amazing and it all kind of

[01:39:07] started because i don't remember who was we had a guest on super pod one time it was andre that

[01:39:12] mentioned was an andre yeah yeah he he mentioned that dragon quest one might be the only rpg that he

[01:39:19] remembers that you only play as one character and i thought that was kind of intriguing i was like

[01:39:25] really one character like wouldn't that suck no it's fucking cool because it's like hey you're the

[01:39:32] fucking hero you go deal with it like you don't fucking don't talk to todd at the tavern he doesn't

[01:39:39] know what's happening half the time you fucking go do it and then you just go and like the more you

[01:39:45] wander around the more you're like talking to people and they're like i see a fucking thing in

[01:39:49] that cave and then you're like you go in the cave and it's like yeah i got this shit but come back

[01:39:54] later because you're not tough enough and you're like well i gotta get fucking tough enough and then

[01:39:57] like you just just wander the land the only shitty part is and i will say this that at first i was

[01:40:03] like wait what the fuck is going on here when you die there's no saving at a town at an inn nope you

[01:40:12] go back to the castle that you start off at every single fucking time like there's no bonfires folks

[01:40:20] like there's nothing it's like you die you're back at like fucking level one but everything you know you

[01:40:27] save your progress and shit it's just it sucks when you're like trying to get from point a to point b and

[01:40:32] then you die and then you gotta fucking do it all over again but it it's just it's a really fun

[01:40:37] quick that's another thing very quick rpg um i think it's like nine hours it's not long that's not

[01:40:46] bad at all and it's it's just a bite-sized rpg and like i've realized recently like i kind of want

[01:40:52] more bite-sized rpgs in my life like i don't always need a 40 hour dragon quest is pretty size they're

[01:40:58] pretty short actually really isn't like seven like fucking 120 hours that's the exception yeah seven is

[01:41:05] just insanely and 11 which is also the longest game 11 is like 150 hours of some crazy dude like um

[01:41:13] i'm four and four and five you can beat in around 20 to 25 hours and around like the second it's like

[01:41:21] the second or third game they totally change how you save the game you save at a church four and five

[01:41:27] yeah they're about 20 25 hours and then so two and three are like probably less than that to be honest

[01:41:33] nice yeah oh yeah well go play them go play this go play dragon quest go play shadow tower abyss

[01:41:43] uh-huh shenmue yeah no you don't have to play that i don't know why people like that game what

[01:41:50] i love shenmue i said it we got to get out of here we don't have time for this okay okay

[01:41:58] again thanks dave for coming on yeah uh go check out dave at tales from the backlog and top three

[01:42:04] and um why don't you tell the folks where we can get us where are you gonna find us go ahead

[01:42:11] let me go ahead you can you can find us at your local denny's uh just living out of a cardboard

[01:42:17] boxes near the dumpster right by the grease trap too we're in that cool sweet spot in between the

[01:42:22] grease trap and the dumpster again those sweet trippants like please sir may i have more oil

[01:42:28] but no uh you can find us rubbing it on your face like more pain like

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[01:43:35] to stand on the corner to beg for money with rick the hamster from kirby dreamland 2 to fund your

[01:43:41] new camera funny yeah my my camera's been good so far but uh jerry you know i hope it's been good

[01:43:46] this uh that someone please jerry needs to bum five smackers to support his addiction to sniffing

[01:43:53] dry erase markers i do actually do that in real life i smell those markers anyways thank you for

[01:43:59] listening so much we'll see you on the next one bye